tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7275422627490025877.post3660885496646841127..comments2016-02-17T07:14:14.083-05:00Comments on Secher Nbiw: Ended up posting this someplace today.Cobalthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00276860017599044287noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7275422627490025877.post-14758176994036052802011-06-08T18:38:33.264-04:002011-06-08T18:38:33.264-04:00Sorry I meant to say "single example."Sorry I meant to say "single example."Cobalthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00276860017599044287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7275422627490025877.post-3578926999360740072011-06-08T17:45:10.904-04:002011-06-08T17:45:10.904-04:00It's not a simple example; it's a relevant...It's not a simple example; it's a relevant linguistic and cultural observation.<br /><br />Furthermore, I didn't think of this all by myself because I was pissed at fundie Christians. I'm drawing my conclusion from the same scriptural precedent used by reform Jews, who are well known in my community for standing up for women's reproductive rights. A representative of a prominent local Jewish organization made this point in front of a meeting of our state legislature's public policy committee, so it's not like I'm citing an obscure bit of scripture that no religious person actually cares about, y'know?Cobalthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00276860017599044287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7275422627490025877.post-18321456542433564762011-05-29T17:07:04.165-04:002011-05-29T17:07:04.165-04:00It is a pretty tenuous precedent, given that Adam ...It is a pretty tenuous precedent, given that Adam was never gestated and did not start life as with any other man. He started as dust in a form, into which god apparently breathed life.<br />Every person since then has had rather different beginnings, and isn't all that comparable to life breathed into dust.<br />There are, on the other hand, many passages throughout the bible that suggest that the god of the bible considers a child to be a person, even within its mother's womb. <br />See:<br />Job 31:15<br />Psalm 22:10<br /><br />Psalm 51:5-6 (NIV):<br />5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. <br />6 Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb; you taught me wisdom in that secret place.<br /><br />Psalm 139:13 (NIV)<br />13 For you created my inmost being; <br /> you knit me together in my mother’s womb. <br /><br />Isaiah 44:1-2<br />Isaiah 44:24<br /><br />Isaiah 49:1 (NIV)<br />Listen to me, you islands; hear this, you distant nations: Before I was born the LORD called me; from my mother’s womb he has spoken my name. <br /><br />Isaiah 49:5<br /><br />Jeremiah 1:5 (NIV)<br />4 The word of the LORD came to me, saying,<br />5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”<br /><br />Hosea 12:3<br />Galatians 1:15<br /><br />I do not happen to believe in the god of the bible, nor take it as my moral guidance, but I think you are drawing your conclusion based on a single example of questionable relevance, and ignoring a number of examples that seem to me more relevant, since they talk about people who actually were born in the typical manner of pregnancy.Kaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08737848324239217044noreply@blogger.com